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"I joined Adgabber to hear other peoples’ opinion on relative topics to our industry. I don't need work, clients, suppliers, or resources. Let’s share some ideas!"
for example:
Are we the only TV viewers and online users who would not like advert-free-content? Not just because we would have no work but because we like to see what the competition is up to?
or to put it another way
Would we pay a bit extra for our cable/broadband to be advertising free?
Apologies if you find the first sentence too provocative.
"I joined Adgabber to hear other peoples’ opinion on relative topics to our industry. I don't need work, clients, suppliers, or resources. Let’s share some ideas!"
for example:
Are we the only TV viewers and online users who would not like advert-free-content? Not just because we would have no work but because we like to see what the competition is up to?
or to put it another way
Would we pay a bit extra for our cable/broadband to be advertising free?
Apologies if you find the first sentence too provocative.
Tags: ad-free-contnet, provoke
Replies to This Discussion
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Permalink Reply by Steve Hall on -
Buddy, please offer value as opposed to mindless, space wasting drivel. It is ever so easy to eject people from Adgabber with the click of a single button.
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Permalink Reply by ali westcott on
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Re: your comment above . . .Steve Hall, you are seriously my hero. Thanks for everything you're doing on AdRants + AdGabber . . . and for being a patient referee in this space who isn't afraid to talk tough (or make the tough calls). Eeep . . . is THAT drivel?
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Permalink Reply by everysandwich on -
I think people will often choose to pay attention to anything they feel provides them with some value, even if it's only entertainment value. But given the choice of commercial-free or commercial-sponsored content, personally I'd choose commercial-free. The interruptive model almost always destroys the spell of a story or song, which actually makes me resent the advertiser. My factory-second magic eight ball from the Dollar Store says advertising can save itself with credibility and relevance, which I think are most affected immediately by media empowered consumers and the application of all the personal data gathered on the web to other media. The frightening degree of psychographics, demographics, behavioral modeling, and data mining we're seeing now (not to mention all the stuff we're *not* seeing) I think will boil over as an intense national privacy debate very soon. Personally, I'd like to see opt-in commercials. Wouldn't it be nice to choose the industries and products you're interested in at any given time with a web interface? I think the tech is there or close, just not the will. It does leave unsolicited name-recognition and general lifestyle branding stuff a little hamstrung, but there's no lack of media for that. Hey, I said it was a factory-second magic eight ball.
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Permalink Reply by Ian Venskus on
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One of the things that I am really into is Interactive product placement. If you see a woman walking across the television screen and you like her dress. You click enter on your remote, a menu pops up with a tv ad of the dress in it and you click buy. Sounds pretty simple and it's been extremely hard to figure out how to do it. So far my best attempt is http://www.thefallofdoob.com/ . You can click on the video and it will bring you to a special feature or an advertisement. You then click on the advertisement again and you end up back to your video. The best I can do so far is hook an ad up to Google analytics and see how many people click on the ad to get to the landing page.
Now I don't think anyone will ever want to pay more to watch ad free t.v, but I do feel that people will pay more if their ad free content is better than the content that they are getting with advertising. HBO and XM radio are great examples. People will pay more money to have access to great content. Therefore as advertisers we should make sure that the content value of each program is worth each ad dollar, or the commercial will not have any added value in the future.
If I was actually employed I'd love to do this... Since advertising breaks are so long, where it is possible to watch a baseball game, CNN, Fox News, and House in the same hour, I think instead of a 30 second commercial, it would be more effective to have a 3 minute short film played during the break. Sure the media buy would be expensive, but it'd be something different and someting that may keep the viewers attention.
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Permalink Reply by TJ on -
"Buddy, please offer value as opposed to mindless, space wasting drivel. It is ever so easy to eject people from Adgabber with the click of a single button."
Man...talk about a rally killer statement.
This one statement does more to hinder a particular sites momentum, verbal animation and thoughtful energies than 100 Richard Royces and QQ's combined.(insert the movie image of a squeaky, rusted, old bike pulling a billboard behind it.)
Conversations take on a lot of different tangents and " paradigmal-obtusities"...yeah I know...its not even a word, but so what?
Do you always have to agree with something someone else says? Maybe its just a lack of information involved or a particular set of pertinent circumstances aren't readily available to the majority of people who read the replies and topics posted?
Ideas, reservations and concepts from a free-thinking mind are nothing short of...fluid and colloidal.
Some statements, although seemingly ridiculous in nature, may just bring about some really insightful dialogue and non-linear spatial connection to the real underlying topic at hand. I hate to admit it , but Buddy Watchenyour(_I_)'s simple animated gif does a pretty good job of rendering the underlying problem here in a simple-to-understand picture...(which we all know are "worth 1000 words")
I have to applaud Mr. Kevin Glennon's " stare-me-straight-in-the-eye-and-ask-me..."Just-who-the-fuck-are-you?" topic. I mean right or wrong, offended by it or not...the guy knows how to elicit some wonderful responses, and supportive statements from EVERYONE.
Nothing like facilitating a sense of web-generated agoraphobia.
Socratic method notwithstanding
(a new, crisp $1 bill to ANYONE who can tie the two above statements together)
"Eeep . . . is THAT drivel?" <---- case in point.
Was that your intention, Mr. Hall?
I dunno, maybe I'm way out of my comfort zone and my element?
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All right. Let me talk this one out. Web generated agoraphobia: Agoraphobia: An abnormal fear of being in crowds, public places, or open areas, sometimes accompanied by anxiety attacks. So basically what you're saying is that you get pleasure out of making people feel uncomfortable in a crowded place on the web, such as a community like AdGabber in a forum string. Next part is that the Socratic method is notwithstanding. I will take that meaning that you are talking to yourself, because Socrates always talked to someone.
So you are creating an uncomfortable social situation in a public place, that is crowded by your peers by talking to yourself, which makes you feel uncomfortable, but you are getting pleasure out of it. I would therefore infer that you have a Multi-Handle Web Schizophrenia. You might want to go to http://www.webmd.com for that. I think it's serious.
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Permalink Reply by TJ on
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Do your lips move when you read stop signs?....relax, its just a question.
(sits down on a stool near a shed in a "let-me-explain-something-to-you" Amish kinda way)
The web generated "agoraphobia" I was referring to was somewhat created by Mr. Halls declaration that anyone posting what he deemed as "drivel" was to be excommunicated by the "click of a single button"
Forrest for the trees my boy...forrest for the trees.
"Eeep . . . is THAT drivel?" <---- case in point.
Now is that the atmosphere one should want in an open-discussion forum: people afraid to open their mouth or let some of their "wild, crazy ideas" slip out from under their caps AND lips?
I kinda like some of the things that come from Buddy's keyboard. You don't because he's going against the flow...so to speak... or maybe some of what he says hits closer to home than you're comfortable with.
Censureship in an open forum?
I think not...on the contrary.
The world is NOT flat and you WON'T fall off the edge when you reach it.
Now regarding the Socrates thingy...AGORAPHOBIA is the fear of being in crowds, public places, or open areas, sometimes accompanied by anxiety attacks...Google is GOD as you already know and its an absolute plus that plagerism isn't punished on this site..."by a single click"...That term was coined waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back in ole Socrates day when elder statesmen and government officials started to AVOID the Agora <---(the market place where Socrates did most of his best verbal jousting)...for fear of looking ridiculous infront of the local populace...
hence my meaning...
( gives the "Do you understand?" look towards you then places the corn-cob pipe back into my mouth as I stand up and head to the outhouse)
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Oh whoops. Sorry I didn't put my www.dictionary.com reference down. My mistake. It's amazing at how intelligent you are. Where do you work again, and does this mean I don't get my dollar?
Oh and I think my diagnosis of Multi-Handle Web Schizophrenia might be a bit off. You definitely have a need for attention and that characteristic just doesn't fit. I'll check the DSM-IV and get back to you soon, I promise.
I think Steve's comment is fairly accurate. He is the Ad Rant. It's like an official title or something. Plus he owns the website. Sure he may have said it a little harsh, but seriously, there aren't really any rules on here. So he gets to make the rules as he goes. When people post something dumb, he get's to rant about their post. I think it's in his job description.
Needless to say you're the one who killed the rally. You took up so much space with your intellectual hog wash that the topic changed from television advertising to Steve Hall. Most people just ignored his comment, while you wrote a book about it.
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Hey there, Mr. TJ, Iago-of-AdGabber,
Why are you using my "Eeep" comment as ammo in your argument (is that really the best Case in Point you can muster)? I know Steve. I was being facetious. This doesn't always translate in text, I know, but I assure you I have no fear . . . but I doubt you were actually concerned about my ability to express myself in this space.
You've been around and participated in enough various posts in this board to know that Steve's comment wasn't aimed at a solitary post; it's aimed at a pattern of nastiness that often manifests itself in really cheesy animated gifs, supplemented by posts riddled with spelling gaffes, grammar atrocities, some oh-so-cool-and-hip F-bombs, and the occasional ad hominem attack. By the same users.
That's not what we are here for. Woof.
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Permalink Reply by TJ on
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"but I doubt you were actually concerned about my ability to express myself in this space."
and you know this because...?
He posted a pretty ingenious gif which was meant to allude to the cycle of the problem which is plaguing the ad industry: Full-Circle Mediocrity . I see nothing wrong with someone wanting the process AND the thought patterns to head in a new, linear direction. Do you?
You don't see the precision in some of Buddy's process? I mean obviously, the account is an alter in which someone can toss an egg or two in the direction of the King who isn't wearing any clothes (and thats not meant to imply Mr. Hall...but moreover the "perpetual" topic at hand).... And I'd be willing to bet that its an alter of someone who is pretty (insert gratuitous F-bomb reference) large in the field of all that is Adrantian and marketable.
I'm sure Silence Dogood was considered a bit of an assjack in her time as well.
V^^^V HOoooooooOOooooOoWL!
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Permalink Reply by TJ on
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